The employee benefits conference was really, really informative. It, many of the workshops I went to were provided new information and helped with updates. The main speakers were excellent, the quality of their information and the way they delivered it was really good. Jon Meacham was I haven't heard a speech like that from anyone in quite some time. It was refreshing to hear. the deep thought that went into his presentation and the other two speakers as well. So it was a good experience. I ran into people that I haven't seen in a while. So that was that was very nice also. And I enjoyed working with three other panelists and for the presentations that I was involved in and the interaction with the participants also was, was fun. And it's also San Diego is a beautiful venue. The convention center was really nice. The facilities were nice, the food was decent, all that. So it was all around well run and really, really worth attending.